Question for the FFL holders.

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by RobErvin, Dec 3, 2018.

  1. RobErvin

    RobErvin
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    It's my understanding, from reading the ATF website, that FFL holders are required to keep form 4473 for 20 years. After that are they just disposed of, or are they turned over to the ATF? Is the bound book record separate from these forms, or are the record keeping requirements the same?
     
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  2. nvshooter

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    Can't answer too much of your question but I do know that when a dealer goes out of business, the 4473s are sent to the ATF where they are ostensibly kept until Hellsinki freezes over. You never know if they might be used in an investigation. Recall the handgun used in the Vince Foster death was originally manufactured in about 1913. I sort o' remember it had been assembled from the parts of several others. Vince Foster was right-handed; the gun was found in his left. Begs a few questions, eh?
     
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  3. RobErvin

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    I think the ATF themselves are flouting the law. The Firearm Owners' Protection Act of 1986 (FOPA) is a United States federal law that makes it illegal for the national government or any state in the country to keep any sort of database or registry that ties firearms directly to their owner.
    Are Guns Registered in a National Firearms Registry

    Yet as you state, when an FFL quits the business, they are required by the ATF to turn over all their 4473s, and as I was trying to confirm, likely their bound book records of gun sales.

    "Federally licensed gun dealers are required to submit sales records to the ATF when they close up shop. The ATF has acquired a massive library of such records: more than 285 million, which it scans and digitizes. Those documents are saved into one of the 25 “data systems” that help the ATF source guns used in crimes."
    The ATF's Nonsenical Non-Searchable Gun Databases, Explained
     
  4. billdeserthill

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    When I had an FFL 10 years ago the ATF used to come into my shop yearly, 'check out' all my books and go back to their lair to download all that info. If you don't like that, buy private sale--cause it's never getting any less restricted--
     
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  5. RobErvin

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    Did you have to turn in your bound book records when you closed up shop, or just your 4473s?

    If the democrats get their way, there wont be anymore legal private sales. They want the database so they know where to go to round up the guns. Just ask Diane FRANKENSTEIN, she wants them ALL.
     
  6. billdeserthill

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    Both are required to be turned in, a friend told me to have all my bound books copied, so if I was charged with anything I would have some evidence
     
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  7. RobErvin

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    Thanks for the reply, I suspected as much but was looking for confirmation from an FFL holder.
     
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  8. nvshooter

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    Copulate that bravo-itch. That's about as much as I can write without violating the bounds of civility...
     
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