Least expensive Clark County/LVMPD approved Nevada CFP renewal instructor

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  1. LVLouisCyphre

    LVLouisCyphre
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    My Nevada CFP expires the end of March 2019. I need to find a renewal instructor. Any recommendations for the least expensive instructor that uses the standard NVSCA qualification course? I was on the LVMPD approved list from 2008-12. It wasn't worth it to me to maintain the business licensing requirements as the only reason to have a Nevada CFP now is if you're going to live in Nevada or require the NICS exemption for long guns.

    Thanks.
     
  2. nmwabbit

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    You kind attention is directed here...

    Blue & Gold Firearms Training - Home

    As for cheeper...keep that mentality for buying other items, but for your training to defend you and your loved ones, Mac’s cost is fair and he is an exemplary & knowledgeable instructor.

    Remember you get what you pay for...go buy the cheep gun to defend yourself.
     
  3. LVLouisCyphre

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    I'll ping him and ask him what his pricing is. He doesn't have it posted on his website which doesn't sit well with me.

    You're assuming that I'm a novice at carrying firearms.



    I'm far from that.

    I've been carrying firearms since 1992 and an NRA and Utah CFP instructor since Halloween 2005 and royal flush of States I have in my wallet are CT, NV, OR, PA and UT. I just did my second renewal for my non-resident OR CHL. Other States I've had are FL, ME, NH and VA. I let those lapse because they were no longer needed due to permitless carry or another State I'm presently maintaining being recognized.

    My last Utah CFP instructor renewal was last April. LVMPD Approved Nevada CFP instructor from 2008-12. I can and have taught the class. I have a few dozen firearm declaration tags from me traveling legally armed with unloaded firearms and ammo in my checked baggage. One of the oldest tags I have in my collection is from America West Airlines prior to them being acquired by US Airways in 2005.

    I worked alarm response during the Rodney King Riots and maintained a NRS 648 PILB open carry armed security qualification card from 1992-6 where you have to qualify in your duty rig annually at the time I was in the business back in the early to mid-1990s. Now it's every six months. I remember the long lines at the LVMPD substation when we went shall issue in the 1995 legislative session and Nevada Sheriffs started taking Nevada CFP applications spring 1996 when LVMPD Sheriff Keller was in office.

    I think I know my way around a trigger since I've been carrying in some capacity since 1992. I'm just looking for someone to give me the mandated renewal training, give me any legal updates that I might have overlooked since my last CFP renewal March 2014 and qualification for the best price.

    My time and money are better served with me going to the range regularly which most CCW holders do not do. They get their CCW(s) then just carry it until renewal time and don't put anything down range or test their carry ammo on the firing line or taking more advanced training from Gunsite, The Warrior Poet Society, Thunder Ranch or Valor Ridge.

    We have a double standard in Nevada; non-residents and residents. The recognized States no longer have a renewal training or qualification requirement. AZ, ND (class 2), OR and UT only have a classroom instruction requirement. FL has a live fire training requirement of just one single round to hit a target. That meets the FL statutory live fire requirement. Non-residents with a recognized State have a less restrictive standard to CCW here than we do.
    When I take Nevada CFP renewal, basically it boils down to "tell me something I don't know" and it's just as much of a chore as watching the paint peel while waiting for your turn in line at the Nevada DMV, doctor's or dentist's office.

    That's why I want it cheap and quick. I'm on renewal four now. When you get to that point, it falls into the same chore as going to DMV and getting your vehicle smog tested the same day.

    I'm not a Massad Ayoob, Reid Henrichs, John Lovell, Jerry Miculek or Clint Smith, but I've been around the block quite a few times in the past 26 years. I'm far from a firearm novice.

    I have a large collection of firearms some of them have considerably appreciated. I have S&W 1076 (FBI) in 99% condition which is probably worth about $2K now, I paid about $525 for it about 15 years ago, a half-dozen SIG-Sauer pistols in every caliber with respective X-Change Kits except 10mm and most of the 3rd generation S&W pistols in every caliber from 3" to 4¼" barrel (i.e. 5906, et. al.).

    Revolvers; .22 LR, two 9x19mm that cannot and do not use moonclips (S&W 547 3" barrel with five HKS 547 speedloaders which are going about $100 each now and a Charter Arms Pitbull Blacknitride™), .357 and .44 magnum. I won't own a .38 or .44 special or a revolver that requires moonclips.

    I think given my extensive collection which I've acquired over the course of over 26 years working as a civilian armed professional, I think I have a valid reason for wanting the renewal to be as easy on the wallet as possible.

    I'm not cheap when it comes to my taste in firearms nor a novice. I review the Nevada CFP renewal process as much of a pain as going to the dentist or DMV especially with the double standard between non-residents with a recognized State and residents.
     
  4. nmwabbit

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    I am sorry, but your perception, real or imagined, of my post led you to ASSUME I was doubting your ability(ies), in any fashion whatsoever. But I will certainly state without hesitation that your bravado filled tirade you just posted, you have just acted out and fulfilled one of my daddy’s sage sayings I endured while he was alive...

    “It is better to be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and show everyone you are!”

    Might want to skip seeking Mac out, your ‘abilities’ just expressed showed the world you won’t enjoy the experience whatsoever!

    Oh forgot, welcome to the forum and for sharing your true self!
     
  5. LVLouisCyphre

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    The two things that annoy the Hell out of me to no end are people who insult my intelligence and waste my time and money. That brings out a curmudgeon tirade out of me. You succeeded in doing that. I disclosed in my initial post that I'm an experienced shooter was on the Nevada approved instructor list through LVMPD without dropping a resume. You chose to ignore it so I gave you both barrels.

    Anybody who is an experienced CCW holder and an instructor is going to be annoyed to no end over how we are treated by Nevada in contrast to non-residents who are carrying here on recognized State that doesn't have the same renewal qualification and training requirements Nevada CFP holders have to go through.

    The big Nevada CFP renewal reforms that need to be redone here legislatively are;
    • Issuance window shortened to 60 days. LVMPD notoriously takes the full 120 days. IMO, they're sitting on CFPs. Two renewals ago for my 2010 renewal, LVMPD lost a lot of renewal applicants fingerprints and had to be fingerprinted again. Every other county does it much quicker than LVMPD. Other counties have been known to issue renewals on the spot during sheriff election years. If you need a background check for anything else in Clark County, it goes much faster than getting CFP.
    • Removal of fingerprints, renewal training and qualification. Utah doesn't require fingerprints for renewals and they are still a NICS exempt State. You don't have to take a DMV behind the wheel test to maintain a driver license in good standing which is a privilege. That's not the case for Nevada CFP holders. IMO, every Nevada CFP holder should be annoyed as Hell over this.
     
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  6. nvshooter

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    All of the above is why I never got a CCW permit...
     
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  8. LVLouisCyphre

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    And I quote in my original post.

    "I was on the Nevada approved list from 2008-12."

    Read the LVMPD CCW FAQ and I quote.

    "Where can I get a CCW application and the list of instructors?
    You can print out the CCW application at this link CCW Application or pick up an application at any LVMPD substation. Find Nearest Area Command
    You can view or print the list of authorized instructors at this link:
    Approved Firearms Courses."
    It seems pretty clear to me what being on the LVMPD approved list means looking at the LVMPD CCW FAQ. If you were plugging yourself in your original reply, I don't know that I'd want to take a class from someone who doesn't know what's on the LVMPD CCW FAQ.

    Simple, I washed out of the academy in my early 20s because I have a pair of lungs Doc Holliday would be proud of. And like Doc Holliday, I like my guns, knives, whiskey, women and gambling winnings. It also barred me from joining the military. To be eligible for HR218/LEOSA you have to have a minimum of 10 years experience as a commissioned LEO to be eligible for the retiree benefit of nationwide CCW. I never said I was a LEO. I worked in the armed security industry, predominately alarm response 1992-6. You do understand the difference between civilian armed security and LEOs and what the Nevada PLIB qualification is to maintain an NRS 648 card? I don't have an issue with the armed security qualification process here. I have an issue with the double standard between Nevada residents and visitors who are carrying here on a recognized State.

    Which brings up another point, some of the States on the Nevada recognition list accept a veteran's DD-214 as a training requirement if they have an honorable or general discharge.

    Someone who was licensed and approved to teach the Nevada CFP class obviously is an experienced shooter. It's also pretty clear that I know the application and training requirements for the rest of the USA. The Nevada CFP renewal process needs to be brought in line with the rest of the USA. Two States that Nevada recognizes that border Nevada have permitless carry. We have permitless carry for open and vehicle carry. The only thing a Nevada CFP buys you here is to legally carry a concealed firearm. I don't know if you're aware of how things are done outside of Clark County. People typically open carry to town hall meetings in Pahrump and rural Nevada counties as those government buildings are typically posted, but it only applies to concealed carry.

    Oregon has an approved online class for their CHL. Oregon is one of those States where license holders can carry in K-12 schools like Utah. Oregon public employees who have CHLs also typically carry at work. Anyone who knows how things are done in the rest of the USA and the States that are on the Nevada recognition list are going to be very annoyed and disgruntled with the Nevada CFP renewal process. Do you have any other States that you keep active? Probably not. Since I travel frequently, I maintain the States that give me the broadest coverage.

    I don't know if you need to go to an Alzheimer's trial or get your GED from a school that provides short bus transportation. Someone who doesn't know what the LVMPD approved list is from the LVMPD FAQ really makes me wonder.

    Kind of reminds me of a comment by the Utah BCI Investigator who taught my Utah CFP Instructor renewal class last April, "You can't fix stupid, but you can give it a court date." To which I chimed in, "And bail it out of jail."
     
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    LV, I am personally quite impressed with the bravado you have espoused on your exemplary firearm handling capabilities & subject matter knowledge, both in NV, but also across this great nation. I am especially glad you have such a collection of a variety of permits/licenses from a myriad of States as I am sure from your learned perspective it is money well spent!

    Oh and thank you so much LV for volunteering to share, through your exemplary commentary post(s), how you have failed to achieve/reach your life’s goal(s), to date, as well as providing such mature advice to me, it is truly appreciated.

    Just for your future use, the only way to ascertain a positive diagnosis for the Alzheimer neurological disorder is during the autopsy of the deceased!

    Best always
     
  10. LVLouisCyphre

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    If you travel legally armed, it is.
    To paraphrase Ducky from NCIS, I'm looking forward to your liver being weighed.

    I'm personally impressed with your daddy's biggest failure, pulling out in time. Tell me, who is your father? The late Fred Phelps? Perhaps you're his bastard son, Elmer Phelps; a cross between Elmer Fudd and Fred Phelps. Did you tap a keg during the Pittsburg synagogue massacre?

    I don't give a rodent's backside about your opinion. You're just another hate mongering troll that's been snorting Haterade.



    Go back into your mommy's basement, Elmer Phelps, where you belong with your plastic guns.
     
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    Public notice to LVLouisCyphre, you are hereby advised, per public publication, of Nevada Revised Statutes:​

    NRS 200.571  Harassment: Definition; penalties.
    1.  A person is guilty of harassment if:
    (a) Without lawful authority, the person knowingly threatens:
    (4) To do any act which is intended to substantially harm the person threatened or any other person with respect to his or her physical or mental health or safety;

    (b) The person by words or conduct places the person receiving the threat in reasonable fear that the threat will be carried out.

    NRS 200.575  Stalking: Definitions; penalties; entry of finding in judgment of conviction or admonishment of rights.
    1.  A person who, without lawful authority, willfully or maliciously engages in a course of conduct that would cause a reasonable person to feel terrorized, frightened, intimidated, harassed or fearful for the immediate safety of a family or household member, and that actually causes the victim to feel terrorized, frightened, intimidated, harassed or fearful for the immediate safety of a family or household member, commits the crime of stalking.
     
  12. LVLouisCyphre

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    How gracious of you to report yourself.

    Have nice day.
     
  13. targetshooter

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    I believe that the crazy rabbit has exposed himself to be the kind of person who is, in fact a troll. He's such a brave person, and just so extremely intelligent that he cant figure out what LVMPD means, of course he's behind a keyboard, supposedly in Albuquerque, or is it Albukookoo?

    He also appears to be displaying snowflake by being afraid of comments similar to those he's also published already on this site.

    DONT WORRY, LV, you're not alone in your consternation with the crazy rabbit. Just IGNORE HIM, that way you dont need to deal with his trash.
     
  14. LVLouisCyphre

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    (Warning, I have a sick sense of humor and a Howard Stern fan if you didn't pick up on that earlier in my parody and fair use reply to Elmer Phelps in this discussion.)

    There's an X rated version of ABQ called Albukakke and it ain't just egg on that wascally wabbit's face.

    He's butthurt because someone gave him a taste of his own medicine through parody and fair use.
    Perhaps he should file a report on it.

    It does make me wonder when the admin here doesn't deal with a village idiot who has a history of harassing everyone who disagrees with him or points him out as a village idiot.
     

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