Arizona Poll: Sell To Someone Without Arizona Drivers License??

[billdeserthill]

That is your right to sell to whoever you wish. The question asked was if it was wise to sell a firearm to someone with only California identification. I responded to that question. For the record, I AM an FFL holder. If asked that by one of my own customers, they would receive the same advice. If you cannot handle sound, grounded, legally tested advice, that is not my problem, nor is it the problem of the person asking or this message board.

For the record I used to be an FFL holder--it's no longer my job to do the work of the State

 

[targetshooter]

For the record I used to be an FFL holder--it's no longer my job to do the work of the State

Y A Y. Seems that an FFL is a function of the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, NOT THE STATE, anyway.

 

[billdeserthill]

Y A Y. Seems that an FFL is a function of the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, NOT THE STATE, anyway.

Government is the Gov't--it doesn't matter what they are called, they are the enemy of all free thinking people

 

[targetshooter]

That's right, do it again/some more. Misinterpret or misstate, change your position, then argue about it. Typical Anti-Gunner tactic.

 

[badbob85037]

I have someone interested in my Rock Island 1911. He is coming to look at it this afternoon. He gave me his information for the bill of sale, but he has a California drivers license. Does anyone see a problem selling to him?? He does live in Phoenix - probably has not taken the time to get an Arizona license yet. Has anyone sold to anyone with an out of state license?? The exact pistol I am selling does not appear on the California 'approved' firearm list (how ignorant is the leadership in that state??). Just looking for some input on what you think. Let me know. Thanks.

I don't sell guns.

 

[MadDuner]

I sold 1 single firearm in my entire life....
And it went to the Socialist Republik of Calipornia, and I ended up with ATF agents at my door. Never again! OP did the right thing by not proceeding.

 

[CAMPMEAT]

Is the gun in your name ? Go to the FFL man and have the buyer pay for the transfer fee, simple. If he come back dirty, oh well.

 

[Joe Link]

I sold 1 single firearm in my entire life....
And it went to the Socialist Republik of Calipornia, and I ended up with ATF agents at my door. Never again! OP did the right thing by not proceeding.

Sure wish I still had some of the guns I've sold over the years! I very rarely sell guns these days.

 

[MadDuner]

Sure wish I still had some of the guns I've sold over the years! I very rarely sell guns these days.

The one gun I sold - was an original Colt AR-15...... that I sold for $350!

Hindsight is 20/20.

 

[11Charlie]

that I sold for $350!

Thats cheap! I am sure at the time it wasn't but dang. Wish I could find one for that now.

 

[badbob85037]

Thats cheap! I am sure at the time it wasn't but dang. Wish I could find one for that now.

Let me give away my age. When in the army if you lost an m-16 to replace it it was $200 and some change. I think it would be a lot better to save your guns for your kids. The way this nation is going, with all these two faced tyrants they are going to need them.

 

[billdeserthill]

Let me give away my age. When in the army if you lost an m-16 to replace it it was $200 and some change. I think it would be a lot better to save your guns for your kids. The way this nation is going, with all these two faced tyrants they are going to need them.

I'd be 'losing' them left & right for $200

 

[Rstone]

I'm a little late to this party with a response.

May I lawfully transfer a firearm to a friend who resides in a different State?

Under Federal law, an unlicensed individual is prohibited from transferring a firearm to an individual who does not reside in the State where the transferee resides. Generally, for a person to lawfully transfer a firearm to an unlicensed person who resides out of State, the firearm must be shipped to a Federal Firearms Licensee (FFL) within the recipient's State of residence. He or she may then receive the firearm from the FFL upon completion of an ATF Form 4473 and a NICS background check. More information can be obtained on the ATF website at www.atf.gov and Unlicensed Persons | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. The GCA provides an exception from this prohibition for temporary loans or rentals of firearms for lawful sporting purposes. Thus, for example, a friend visiting you may borrow a firearm from you to go hunting. Another exception is provided for transfers of firearms to nonresidents to carry out a lawful bequest or acquisition by intestate succession. This exception would authorize the transfer of a firearm to a nonresident who inherits a firearm under the will of a decedent. See 18 U.S.C. 922(a)(5).

Source: ATF FAQ's https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/docs/0501-firearms-top-10-qaspdf/download

 

[DeeMyers]

It's good. I called it off, so no worries. Now I need to decide if I want to trade it for the P365, or hope that someone buys it and put the money towards a Kimber Raptor.

 

[DeeMyers]

Im just curious regarding this site.Is it only for fully transfer guns by FFL holders or is it a site to sell guns like I would at a gun show? I see several different takes on this and wanted to know which it is?

 

[11Charlie]

Im just curious regarding this site.Is it only for fully transfer guns by FFL holders or is it a site to sell guns like I would at a gun show? I see several different takes on this and wanted to know which it is?

You can sell to anyone you want as long as you follow the laws of the State you live in.

 

[Rstone]

You can sell to anyone you want as long as you follow the laws of the State you live in.

I might add to this; also follow the federal law as set forth by the US Govt and the ATF guidelines. Ignorance of the law has never been shown to be a winning defense in court, except for Hillary Clinton.

 

[billdeserthill]

I might add to this; also follow the federal law as set forth by the US Govt and the ATF guidelines. Ignorance of the law has never been shown to be a winning defense in court, except for Hillary Clinton.

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[badbob85037]

I'm a little late to this party with a response.

May I lawfully transfer a firearm to a friend who resides in a different State?

Under Federal law, an unlicensed individual is prohibited from transferring a firearm to an individual who does not reside in the State where the transferee resides. Generally, for a person to lawfully transfer a firearm to an unlicensed person who resides out of State, the firearm must be shipped to a Federal Firearms Licensee (FFL) within the recipient's State of residence. He or she may then receive the firearm from the FFL upon completion of an ATF Form 4473 and a NICS background check. More information can be obtained on the ATF website at www.atf.gov and Unlicensed Persons | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. The GCA provides an exception from this prohibition for temporary loans or rentals of firearms for lawful sporting purposes. Thus, for example, a friend visiting you may borrow a firearm from you to go hunting. Another exception is provided for transfers of firearms to nonresidents to carry out a lawful bequest or acquisition by intestate succession. This exception would authorize the transfer of a firearm to a nonresident who inherits a firearm under the will of a decedent. See 18 U.S.C. 922(a)(5).

Source: ATF FAQ's https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/docs/0501-firearms-top-10-qaspdf/download

The old saying 'the law is the law' couldn't of been talking about America. The Dick Act passed in I think 1913 defined the military as Regular troops, the National Guard, and the militia. The militia is every man 18 to 47. They are to have a modern military firearm in their home with enough rounds to last through a major battle. The president can call up the militia. If you fail to show up you will be tried in a military court. How can half the country obey this law when some couldn't bring an Airsoft. Not only are the over 2,000 gun laws a violation of our rights but the one writing these laws and the ones voting for them have violated their oath and none had any honor to begin with. Their anti Second Amendment laws have weakened the largest group of people to defend our nation. That is treason of the highest order. We are within our rights and our duty to push, pull or drag these traitors from office. Then set up civilian's courts to give justice. It would be reasonable to advise their bodies be left to rot from the trees as a strong warning to any democRat wanting to take his place.

What I see is a country needing a good genocide . Anyone hearing the boos coming from the wastes of good dirt in San Francisco when one of the many democRat hopefuls said we don't need socialism should be in agreement. If these bubblegum clowns want Socialism lets deport them all 300 miles west of San Francisco allowing them to only take with them their chains and lead weights or convince the people of the Soviet Socialist Republic of Kalifornia to all jump up and down at the same time. Cause God put that fault line there for a reason. Face it, these democRats are even to stupid to know they will never be ignorant. They are no longer the other party. They are the biggest threat ever seen against America. Exterminate democRats today if your kids deserve the same freedoms we grew up with

 

[Oohrah]

I have someone interested in my Rock Island 1911. He is coming to look at it this afternoon. He gave me his information for the bill of sale, but he has a California drivers license. Does anyone see a problem selling to him?? He does live in Phoenix - probably has not taken the time to get an Arizona license yet. Has anyone sold to anyone with an out of state license?? The exact pistol I am selling does not appear on the California 'approved' firearm list (how ignorant is the leadership in that state??). Just looking for some input on what you think. Let me know. Thanks.

It depends on your State laws. If it is not against the state law for person to person it's likely OK. Up to you to check and it can be found out by a FFL Dealer in your State. Remember if you sell to anyone, the responsibility you will wear if the firearm is used in a crime and bought through a FFL Dealer, you are still the owner.