National Guns and God: Growing number of churches want armed security

[Joe Link]

Guns and God: Growing number of churches turn to armed volunteers for security

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[billdeserthill]

I'm glad to hear that churches are finally realizing the facts about guns, unfortunately I recently learned about the Vatican Rat Lines www.holocaustonline.org/vatican-ratlines/
Apparently the Vatican helped 5,000 nazi's escape prosecution, so I'm done with them

 

[nmwabbit]

So, under what auspices are these 'volunteer' gun toting security teams carrying?

Using state conceal permits/licensure provisional statutory mandates?

So who, in the event of an incident where the armed 'volunteer' security team members engages in the use of deadly force, is going to provide mitigation from prosecutorial oversight?

Further, who is going to presume liability?

Oh wait...i know these 'volunteers' will engage in citizen's arrest tactics...oh now the civil lawsuits will bankrupt the religious organizations...

 

[billdeserthill]

Good guy with a gun doesn't have time to get his liability waiver signed

 

[nmwabbit]

Good guy with a gun doesn't have time to get his liability waiver signed

Good guy is a definition is in the eyes of the prosecutor

 

[billdeserthill]

Good guy is a definition is in the eyes of the prosecutor

Good guy saves innocent lives & I don't give a damn what the lawyer thinks
did that pos lawyer ever save a life?

 

[nmwabbit]

Good guy saves innocent lives & I don't give a damn what the lawyer thinks
did that pos lawyer ever save a life?

Absolutely, just ask any LE who got exonerated by having the prosecutor immediately declare the LE was covered by QI.

 

[billdeserthill]

Absolutely, just ask any LE who got exonerated by having the prosecutor immediately declare the LE was covered by QI.

Very sad that you need to put liability above someone else's life
Cops are already indemnified and can do pretty much as they like

 

[nmwabbit]

Very sad that you need to put liability above someone else's life
Cops are already indemnified and can do pretty much as they like

Actually the term is 'qualified immunity", per wiki:
Qualified immunity is a legal doctrine in United States federal law that shields government officials from being sued for discretionary actions performed within their official capacity, unless their actions violated "clearly established" federal law or constitutional rights.Qualified immunity thus protects officials who "make reasonable but mistaken judgments about open legal questions," but does not protect "the plainly incompetent or those who knowingly violate the law." Unquote

How qualified immunity fails
How Qualified Immunity Fails

 

[billdeserthill]

Actually the term is 'qualified immunity", per wiki:
Qualified immunity is a legal doctrine in United States federal law that shields government officials from being sued for discretionary actions performed within their official capacity, unless their actions violated "clearly established" federal law or constitutional rights.Qualified immunity thus protects officials who "make reasonable but mistaken judgments about open legal questions," but does not protect "the plainly incompetent or those who knowingly violate the law." Unquote

How qualified immunity fails
How Qualified Immunity Fails

Close enough for a town this size