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California Democrat Calls For Gun Ban On Hollywood Sets

armoredman said:
. . . the Left is trying like crazy to make sure he doesn't take any fall at all.
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That's because he's a darling of the gun-grabber Left. Imagine him being indicted, tried and convicted of something like Negligent Homicide or Irresponsible Manslaughter (I made that one up). I may be wrong but I believe his Hollyweird buddies might just abandon him because in that town, it's all about with whom you hang that may bring your next job.
 
nvshooter said:
I wouldn't call it a surprise. I'd call it infuriating. The Criminal Left Party, and their henchmen in the Criminal Left Media, have no respect for the Liberties of The People who have never committed any sort of crime with their legally-owned firearms. My thinking is that gun-control laws are written to keep Young Black Males from acquiring firearms but because our laws apply equally to all, a sixty year-old combat veteran can't own a Black Rifle or an M1911 pistol in some jurisdictions. Is that veteran a good chance to commit a violent crime? I'd say No. What we need is the law slapped down hard on those who violate it. No plea bargains. No reduced sentences. Our laws are too lenient once the trial begins, verdicts are rendered and sentences are proscribed. If our prisons are overcrowded, the solution is to build more prisons. That will put hundreds or even thousands to work building it, and hundreds to work guarding the prisoners once the construction is completed. I see no downside...
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nv, I usually applaud your posts- this time I got to take exception.. We already incarcerate more people per capita than every other country, the PRC excepted... a large majority are black and Hispanic males. If only White crime were reported, our crime stats would be far lower. Call me "racist" (I don't care)- we have a HUGE racial problem in this country and it vastly supercedes what libs call racism. Call me nazi (Im not) but I believe the USA needs to take serious steps to eliminate the "racial problem" in this country. If we DON'T, Whites will find themselves a racial minority in a large 3rd world "sh*th*le country. Just sayin...
 
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DunRanull said:
nv, I usually applaud your posts- this time I got to take exception.. We already incarcerate more people per capita than every other country, the PRC excepted... a large majority are black and Hispanic males. If only White crime were reported, our crime stats would be far lower. Call me "racist" (I don't care)- we have a HUGE racial problem in this country and it vastly supercedes what libs call racism. Call me nazi (Im not) but I believe the USA needs to take serious steps to eliminate the "racial problem" in this country. If we DON'T, Whites will find themselves a racial minority in a large 3rd world "sh*th*le country. Just sayin...
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Umm....no.

https://corrections.az.gov/sites/default/files/REPORTS/CAG/2021/cagsep-21.pdf

I don't call anyone a racist or not here, but here are REAL numbers from one state that cast some serious doubts on your assertions. If you don't want to click the link, I'll throw some of them down here;

Total prison population in Arizona as of September 2021 - 35,410.
Total white inmates - 38.5%
Total Hispanic inmates - 38.8%
Total black inmates - 15.0%

Do remember we do have a larger Hispanic population in Arizona than many other states.

Going to Death Row only, the breakdown gets even more away from your view where we have 63 white inmates, but only 23 Mexican-American, and 18 black inmates.

Another big flag i usually see in posts like this, (you didn't, but thrown in for clarity), is the drug line, "if we free the innocent dope smokers we will free up half the prisons!" Again, provably bunk. ADC started tracking those in prison for weed only, just for this reason. We legalized recreation marijuana, going on sale in Feb of 2021, so using the numbers from Jan of 2021, out of a total population of 37,396, we had, wait for it....82 doing time for possession of weed only. .2% of the total population. Not even two full wings in a typical medium custody building. Amazingly enough, the number one crime incarcerated is NOT drug use or possession, but assault, 4,827. Drug SALES/TRAFFICKING is number two with 4,103 serving time as of September. Drug possession, (all), was 2,059, or a grand total of 5.8% of the total population. That's even less than our population of criminal aliens, which is 7.1%, another number that has been steadily dropping over the years.

As for incarceration rates, we are going down, here in AZ, so much we are closing our oldest prison complex. Going back to the earliest of the linkable stats, in January of 2018, we had a total prison population of 41,727. Now 35,410, over 6000 LESS than just 3 years ago.

https://corrections.az.gov/sites/default/files/REPORTS/CAG/2018/cagjan18.pdf

These facts are, of course, only one state out of 50, but it's what I have, and results TEND to be closely related in the prisons systems across the nation. So please look at your numbers and linkable stats and show me what you are speaking of?

You should come visit Florence Complex when they convert Central Unit, (Cell Block 2 completed in 1930), into a museum - I worked there, weird place with a lot of history. Also a missing revolver we have been looking for, off and on, for about 50 years. Maybe you will find it!
 
nvshooter said:
I wouldn't call it a surprise. I'd call it infuriating. The Criminal Left Party, and their henchmen in the Criminal Left Media, have no respect for the Liberties of The People who have never committed any sort of crime with their legally-owned firearms. My thinking is that gun-control laws are written to keep Young Black Males from acquiring firearms but because our laws apply equally to all, a sixty year-old combat veteran can't own a Black Rifle or an M1911 pistol in some jurisdictions. Is that veteran a good chance to commit a violent crime? I'd say No. What we need is the law slapped down hard on those who violate it. No plea bargains. No reduced sentences. Our laws are too lenient once the trial begins, verdicts are rendered and sentences are proscribed. If our prisons are overcrowded, the solution is to build more prisons. That will put hundreds or even thousands to work building it, and hundreds to work guarding the prisoners once the construction is completed. I see no downside...
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I forgot to answer some items here, if you don't mind.
YES, many gun "control" laws in the South after the Civil War were designed specifically to disarm newly freed slaves. Other firearms control laws are also racist in nature, as the infamous Sullivan law in New York City was to disarm newly arrived Irish immigrants.
Building new prisons would be great, where they are needed, but one thing we can't do right now is STAFF them at current pay. You do NOT want to know what I am working with, but I can sum it up by saying regularly I have one staff doing the job of two. Also, many people do not want to pay higher taxes to PAY for prisons and staff, plus all the infrastructure/maintenance/etc., that a properly funded prison system entails. Central Unit Cell Block 2, mentioned above, has doors in use that were taken from the Alcatraz stash when that prison closed. Parts now are hand turned on lathes due to the companies who made these items being out of business for over 50 years. This is not nearly the oldest prison in use today.
You are 100% on laws not being used hard, especially weapons charges. Most of the time, those are pled away. Right now in AZ we have a grand total of 1,712 inmates serving time for weapons offenses, 4.8% of the total population. Arizona DOES require 80% of time served, however, no allie-allie, in-come-free like California.
 
Swing and a miss, amigo, but nice try.
Strike one - we were not on the subject of Arizona prisons - I was refuting a global claim of racial bias and overcrowding in US prisons using publicly available information.
Strike two - I was addressing a few comments about gun control laws being applied haphazardly and their racist history, as well as prison construction and taxation required to support that idea. Once again, I used hard numbers from a publicly available website.
Strike three - I am not going to comment on an ongoing lawsuit that my Dept is involved in that I may or may not have specific knowledge of, especially not on an open forum, and especially not with people who I cannot verify if they have ben prior "guests of the state".
Sorry, but you're out - next batter.
 
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Some very thoughtful discussion, here. I think it best that I remain silent and be thought a fool than to shoot-off my piehole and remove all doubt...
 
Did you hear Alec state that he was was not the last line of defense with a weapon. How can you be so fing stupid. I sure hope the imbecile that said that spends some time in a cell. If anyone really did. The machine is in your hands how can you not be the last line of defense. Oh I forget we are talking about people who do not want to standup become adults with real responsibilities.
 
OK! So will we watch war movies, crime movies and westerns without those evil firearms? I think not! It's those bad, nasty metal and plastic guns that head out by themselves and create mayhem...assaulting everyone they encounter? Nay! Perhaps we should ban trigger fingers? There are thousands of automobile "accidents" annually, so why don't we ban cars? They're as dangerous as guns, or more so given the statistics. Ban alcohol and drugs? They're bad characters too. The common element?.....people! Ban people! All this tongue-in-cheek. Politicians who propose such solutions are simply grandstanding: "Hey! Look what I've done in office (on your tax dollar)!" Fools they be!
 
I personally believe they should ban all movie production in the entire state of Kalipornia - to be sure nothing stupid happens on a movie set there ever again.

Yeah, that will fix it.
 

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